Friday Stream of Consciousness – 69

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Here are some things on my mind this Friday morning:

  • This has been an amazing week at NVC in a variety of ways. The coolest thing this week was having two babies born on the same day at the same hospital. It makes visitation both fun and easy icon smile Friday Stream of Consciousness   69
  • I’m at home with the kiddos by myself for 9 days while Emily completes a graduate school course at Pepperdine. As challenging as it is, I get to spend some quality time with my girls–that’s always a good thing.
  • Why do churches bring in consultants only to spend the time and money–then ignore the suggestions?
  • Why do the churches that implement at least some suggestions pick the safest and least important, rather than tackling the more significant sources of their problems?
  • Answers: It’s too much pain or too much work. Runner up: Too much pride to admit it’s necessary.
  • I was thrilled to learn one of my former professors, Ron Highfield, has a new book out: God, Freedom, and Human Dignity: Embracing a God-Centered Identity in a Me-Centered Culture. I’m only in chapter two, but I’m thoroughly intrigued by where I sense he’s going with the book. I’ll review it here soon. You should pick up a copy if you get the chance.
  • I finally saw the movie, Argo. It was brilliant in nearly every way–but I had two questions: where was any reference the failed military operation, Reagan or the role that incident played in Carter’s undoing as President? I know it’s just a movie…but still.
  • I’m really enjoying coaching Anna’s 10-and-under girls softball team. Our team name is “Moneyball.” Our first game is this weekend. Wish us well.
  • The gun violence situation over the past several weeks in SoCal reminds me of the popularity of car chases out here back in the 90s–with a sadistic end. I run from the cops, take out as many as I can, then do myself in–making sure it all makes TV. God help us if this becomes en vogue.
  • I was in a group this past week where the question on the table was, “What’s the single most important trait you can look for in a staff member other than character?” What would your answer be?
  • I’m not digging the new theological trajectory of viewing traditional views of the atonement as outdated and harmful because it makes God a meany who abuses power and is unjust by punishing Jesus, the innocent in such a “vulgar” way for the sins of the guilty.  21st-Century, Western, philosophical assumptions the only prism through which we must interpret everything? Doesn’t this also assume it happened against the will of Christ? What then are we to do with the Great Flood and the Passover? And doesn’t… we will just leave it there for now.
  • This is on my mind particularly as I preach Romans 3:21-31 this weekend.
  • The Downton Abbey finale was straight up depressing.
  • Maybe Mary and Tom should hook up now.
  • I still believe Thomas is a serpent.
  • Among the Oscar picks for best picture, I saw 3–all of which were fantastic. Les Mis, Argo, and Life of Pi. I can’t pick between the three. If forced to, I think I would pick Life of Pi

What’s on your mind this Friday?

Dr. Tim Spivey is Lead Planter of New Vintage Church in San Diego, California. He is the author of numerous articles and one book, "Jesus: The Powerful Servant." A sought after speaker for events, Tim also serves as Adjunct Professor of Religion at Pepperdine University. Tim serves as a church consultant, and his writings are featured on ChurchLeaders.com, Church Executive magazine, Faith Village, Sermon Central, and Giving Rocket.

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9 thoughts on “Friday Stream of Consciousness – 69

  1. “What’s the single most important trait you can look for in a staff member other than character?” As a “lay person” I think the ability the for a staff member to speak truth in love regardless of with whom their speaking is extremely important. Be it a fellow staff member, a member of the congregation, an elder or just someone who comes in “off the street” being able to express unconditional, heart felt love while telling them the truth is extremely valuable and not done well by many people.

  2. Tim,
    First of all, I appreciate your posting items of substance. Though Facebook is great for posting pictures of family, etc., it is sometimes over used for trivia.

    It is great that things are going well with you and Emily in your ministry.

    Regarding “Why do churches bring in consultants only to spend the time and money–then ignore the suggestions?” .

    -Sometimes elderships are too insulated to bring anyone in for a different perspective. It is my observation many small to medium sized congregations have elderships that seldom travel to observe other congregations, go to workshops or lectureships, read the current literature, or otherwise keep themselves informed. Since those chosen tend to be “elderly– at least 55-60– they are clearly in the generation with a modern world-view. It is difficult for them to understand the challenges of our postmodern generation. For those congregations an outside perspective is vital.
    –Concerning the advice of consultants when they are used. What is the natural inclination of the leadership in churches when choosing someone to give advice? I submit it is the rare leadership that chooses someone who gives advice outside their comfort zone. The leadership should examine its own motives and prejudices before hiring the consultant. This probably accounts for some leaderships not taking the advice of the consultant. The same can occur when hiring a lead minister—i.e. take taking his advice

  3. Tim, I hope you’ll blog more about this in the near future —

    “I’m not digging the new theological trajectory of viewing traditional views of the atonement as outdated and harmful because it makes God a meany who abuses power and is unjust by punishing Jesus, the innocent in such a “vulgar” way for the sins of the guilty. 21st-Century, Western, philosophical assumptions the only prism through which we must interpret everything? Doesn’t this also assume it happened against the will of Christ? What then are we to do with the Great Flood and the Passover? And doesn’t… we will just leave it there for now.”

    I agree with you and would love to hear your thoughts on the matter.

  4. TIM!!!! You’re killin’ me!!!

    Great thoughts as usual! I’m just smiling and shouting “AMEN!” I have so much to comment on. You should number them so I don’t have to go through and quote everything.

    “Why do churches bring in consultants only to spend the time and money–then ignore the suggestions?” I don’t always think churches should bring in consultants…sometimes their suggestions aren’t very good….but that’s just me and I totally get why they need to do it sometimes. But ignoring them…dumb.

    “where was any reference the failed military operation, Reagan or the role that incident played in Carter’s undoing as President?” Uh, we don’t trash liberal presidents, only the conservative ones. If there was a way to blame Reagan, you would’ve seen it.

    “I’m not digging the new theological trajectory of viewing traditional views of the atonement as outdated and harmful because it makes God a meany who abuses power and is unjust by punishing Jesus, the innocent in such a “vulgar” way for the sins of the guilty. 21st-Century, Western, philosophical assumptions the only prism through which we must interpret everything? Doesn’t this also assume it happened against the will of Christ? What then are we to do with the Great Flood and the Passover? And doesn’t…”
    YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! It’s the “forgiveness without repentance” belief that we just turn away from pointing people in good direction because it’s “judgmental”. It’s weak is what it is.

    “The Downton Abbey finale was straight up depressing.” Sorry to hear that. You mentioned a couple weeks ago that if you think DA is dumb or boring you don’t watch it. My wife’s love language right now is DA. We saw the most of the season on DVD a couple months ago so we had to keep quiet as it aired in the US. I hate the show. I think it’s boring. :) But my wife loves it, so I watch it with her.